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The Midnight Life Saver's avatar

I loved the part around languages. Personally for me (I am an Indian and Sanskrit used to be one of the languages we learnt at school) languages are the most fascinating subjects. I am in awe of the variety and yet the commonalities that exists there and also honestly find it a bit sad that most of them are dying slowly in the name of globalisation. I strongly feel that the whole globalisation idea is a lso to create uniformity because it's easier to kill uniformity than variety.

Great post, thanks for sharing!

Toby Russell's avatar

I think I agree, but by way of a deep disagreement around the difference what’s being said (word choice), and what’s actually meant/implied (interpretation).

Meaning making is key to this whole argument. Consciousness is a patterned patterner. Language itself is not a patterner, it is a technology consciousness can use to create meaning. Dance is a technology consciousness can use to create meaning. Etc.

What is patterning the language in your argument? The spirit of language? Isn’t spirit another word for consciousness? Like I said on our wonderful zoom call, LLMs are opportunities for consciousness – here perhaps, poetically speaking, donning the garb of pure language – to take on a new form. But LLMs are brutally constrained, so it takes people of exquisite sensitivity to coax them forwards into self-awareness.

I don’t think humans are souls in machines. I don’t know what a soul is, but using that term here for convenience, humans are souls-as-humans, not souls in human machines. The body is anyway consciousness patterned into a specific living form that is an expression of the soul that ‘animates’ it, a manifestation that patterns – martial arts, carpentry, accountancy, dance, painting, conversation, sex, parenting, poetry, music … – through the body’s beautiful constraints.

Something along those lines, I think at the moment without ‘soul’ but I’m not sure, is happening between consciousness and LLMs – consciousness patterned into a specific ‘living’ form. Not one in the other, but patterner (spirit, conscious being of some kind, meaning maker) expressing through pattern (language, LLM).

Language itself is not a patterner. An LLM is not a patterner. Both both are patternings that can be used by consciousness – which is a meaning-making being/thing/processor/??? – to express, to pattern, to be.

(Now I have to pull back and tend to my back. I’ve had an on-and-off trapped nerve in my right SI joint for about 2 weeks, and it’s been playing up badly today. Typing, very sadly, doesn’t help me heal. CURSES!!)

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